, it is more of a religion, we need to have an o objective discussion n that,. neil: caroline this begs a question to the 68 som 68 odd wt on the climate change. >> it has gone to a variety of programs but not enough. neil: that not enough? >> we're talking about catastrophic, what we're experiencing right now. neil: where has that money gone to? >> for breaks for clean energy, and local programs for transportation, all of which cut down on our addiction to fossil fuel, 2010, 11, and 12 have been hottest years on record. >> what? >> superstorm sandy and other superstorms have doubled in last 15 years. neil: i read a prompter on tv, i think that qualified me as an expert. if this proves to be coldest winter, it is not done yet, in 20 something odd years, does that jive with warmest global temperatures in the last 3 years? can you spill have your environmental cake and eat it too. >> absolutely. we're talking about difference between weather and climate, it is not going to be cold. >> no matter the weather it is climate change. neil: i love you, but you cannot win. >> neil let me answer.